Hydriz> ok
[13:13] I have to check the pages first
Glavkos: I would need to take a look at the policy when it was changed
yes, there was one wiki that changed to CC-BY-SA 3.0
[13:14] <Glavkos> ok
please tell me the procedure and which wiki it was ...
[13:15] <Hydriz> hold on
I am checking...
[13:18] Sorry, still looking
I can't remember what it was called
[13:21] <Glavkos> Bulgaria 2.5
<nataly8> μόνο 3 πύλες έμειναν
<Glavkos> but in the bottom of the pages writes 3.0
[13:22] <Hydriz> ah ha
found it
hu.wikinews.org uses 3.0
wait, no
oh, wait
yes, hu.wikinews.org uses CC-BY 3.0
<Glavkos> Bosanski >GNU
[13:23] ok...thank you
<Hydriz> But I don't really know how they did it
<Glavkos> how can we change it
I see a confusion about the licenses
[13:24] <Hydriz> hmm
<Glavkos> Catala 2.5
<Hydriz> I don't know a lot about this, but I am searching for it
<Glavkos> Czesky 2.5
[13:25] why some wikis follow 2.5 and some other do not ?
[13:26] <Hydriz> only wikinews uses CC-BY-2.5
all other Wikimedia projects uses CC-BY-SA-3.0
[13:27] and, CC-BY-2.5 is the same as CC-BY-3.0
why do you guys want to change it?
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<Hydriz> Glavkos: My friend here can help you regarding the change in license.
<Dcoetzee> Hi all, what's up?
[13:32] <Glavkos> hi
<Hydriz> They wanted to change from their current CC-BY 2.5 to CC-BY 3.0
<Glavkos> Dcoetzee: how are you ?
<Dcoetzee> That's... possible, but they should avoid stating that all their content is available under CC-BY 3.0.
Unless they had an "or later" clause originally.
<Glavkos> Hydriz: one member of the Greek community just put it for discussion...
[13:33] <Hydriz> Glavkos: Dcoetzee can help you about the copyright
He is much better than me about this
<Glavkos> Hydriz: thank you
Dcoetzee: I didn't get the point ...
<Dcoetzee> Hold on
[13:34] <Glavkos> our member argued that he will contribute with the 3.0 CC-BY license ....
<Dcoetzee> Glavkos: When you edit a page right now on #wikinews-el, what does the copyright agreement the editor agrees to say? Translate it for me.
[13:35] *on el.wikinews I mean.
<Glavkos> ok
[13:36] All the contribs to Wikinews are regarded that
they are released under the CC-BY 2.5
[13:37] and then the disclaimer
<Dcoetzee> Okay. It's totally okay to change from CC-BY 2.5 to CC-BY 3.0, but you should realise that your content will be a mixture of 2.5 and 3.0 content.
I'm not sure what that implies for content reusers.
<Glavkos> hmmmm...what is the disadvantage to that ?
[13:38] <Dcoetzee> Well all it means is that reusers will have to follow the terms of *both* licenses.
<Glavkos> oh
<Dcoetzee> Which are pretty much the same.
<Glavkos> this gets complicated
<Dcoetzee> Yes... but upgrading to 3.0 is a good idea.
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<Glavkos> ok , but there is a risk the they will insert content
from wikipedia
<Dcoetzee> Wikipedia is CC-BY-SA 3.0, so it's already incompatible.
[13:40] <Glavkos> what is the SA part...pls remind me ...
<Dcoetzee> Share Alike. Derivative works must be released under the same license.
<Glavkos> oh ...
<Dcoetzee> If they change it, they have to license the changed version under CC-BY-SA 3.0 too.
[13:41] <Glavkos> there is no such obligation for WN?
<Dcoetzee> Right.
<Glavkos> ok
great
now I have an argument
<Dcoetzee> Unfortunately that means you can put Wikinews text on Wikipedia, but not put Wikipedia content on Wikinews.
<Glavkos> I know that already
[13:42] I translated the guidelines for the Greek wiki
<Dcoetzee> Glavkos: Also, you should suggest to your members who are interested in releasing under CC-BY 3.0 that they can already do so with multilicensing.
<Glavkos> so any WN license is incompatible with SA ?
[13:43] <Dcoetzee> They can release under CC-BY 2.5 and CC-BY 3.0 both.
<Glavkos> ok
but never a CC-BY-CA
So , just a summary
if we turn to 3.0
[13:44] all the content will get multi licensed with both 2.5 and 3.0 cc-by
[13:45] but SA is not acceptable ...
<Dcoetzee> No
Your existing content is forever CC-BY-2.5. Its license cannot be changed.
<Glavkos> ok
<Dcoetzee> If you change to 3.0, your future content will be CC-BY-3.0.
[13:46] <Glavkos> ok
I got it
tell me now for SA
<Dcoetzee> And so your site will have a mixture of CC-BY-2.5 and CC-BY-3.0 content. People who use your content must follow both licenses.
[13:47] <Glavkos> but it is definite that we cann't turn to Share-Alike ....?
[13:48] Dcoetzee: please answer to my last question ...
<Dcoetzee> For SA, you cannot include CC-BY-SA content on Wikinews, before or ever.
[13:49] <Glavkos> ok
<Dcoetzee> Nothing you can do can change that, besides throwing out all your content and starting over.
<Glavkos> no ...we do not want that ...
nataly8: παρακολουθείς ;
[13:50] <nataly8> παρακολουθώ
γράφω
<Glavkos> Dcoetzee: thank you very much
You 've been very helpful
<nataly8> τι έγινε τελικά;
<Glavkos> nataly8: είπες ότι παρακολουθείς ..
[13:51] <nataly8> ναι, αλλά όχι όλο
το τελευταίο μέρος δεν το κατάλαβα
<Dcoetzee> Np :-)
Leave a message on User talk:Dcoetzee at enwiki if you want to follow up.
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